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Post by Firefox on Mar 27, 2013 11:13:24 GMT
Thanks for your further information and suggestions Roger.
There are polls running in the polls forum with the suggestion of us buying public liability insurance, and another poll on whether we should collect money at meets, and if so, what should we use it for, one suggestion being insurances.
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Post by wildman on Apr 6, 2013 11:16:28 GMT
I know that Vernon but a lot of people appear to be voting blind without thought to the consequences. Still I have had my say and will refrain from further posts on the matter. At my age why should I worry anyway.
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Post by Firefox on Apr 6, 2013 11:28:12 GMT
That's how democracy goes though... just look at the jokers people vote in for parliament sometimes! They may have reasons for voting we don't know about. Just like parliament we can always change the decisions if people's views shift or have another poll in a year Sometimes ideas take time to grow.
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Post by wildman on Apr 26, 2013 11:48:06 GMT
I spoke today to Paul Acker of Natural England regarding the problem of no rallies held on legal site to list. After laughing his head off for a bit ,(no action has ever been taken not their job or interest) he replied no problem just leave it blank. so there you go from the horses mouth, and I never mentioned the forum name. so there you go obstacle removed get one ordered and let the fun begin.
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Post by Firefox on Apr 26, 2013 12:13:06 GMT
Well if anyone wants to volunteer to organise getting our paperwork submission off to Natural England feel free. Just send me a PM
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Post by goldfish on Apr 26, 2013 19:49:50 GMT
As far as I am concern keep it simple, the less paper work the better i just happen to be around and there r others around too gone and on my way next day (wink wink!)
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Post by wildman on Apr 27, 2013 9:18:43 GMT
I thought robmac had already volunteered
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Post by wildman on Apr 27, 2013 9:22:33 GMT
As far as I am concern keep it simple, the less paper work the better i just happen to be around and there r others around too gone and on my way next day (wink wink!) thats fine if its just you, not so easy for a 10 -20 van rally over a period of 5 days. the paperwork costs nothing what is your problem with doing things legally insurance or not is your choice as a forum but a 5 day rally needs an exemption certificate
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Post by goldfish on Apr 27, 2013 18:35:00 GMT
As far as I am concern keep it simple, the less paper work the better i just happen to be around and there r others around too gone and on my way next day (wink wink!) thats fine if its just you, not so easy for a 10 -20 van rally over a period of 5 days. the paperwork costs nothing what is your problem with doing things legally insurance or not is your choice as a forum but a 5 day rally needs an exemption certificate If I want to participate a 5 days rally I will join another forum . Thanks heaven it is a free world Well at least when I am moving around in my van. no need for anyone telling what I should or should not do so long I am not harming anyone/environment . enough of that during my working live .
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Post by daisymini on Apr 27, 2013 22:00:17 GMT
I think Wildman has a point and is only offering advice based on experience. For us that go it alone certificates are not needed, and occasional meets between friends (maybe one or two vans) may also not be needed. Anything bigger then maybe it needs to be addressed. Wildman has the facilities to offer us a place to meet at low cost for the area, Should we expect him to give it us for free? As a forum we occasionally meet up in more than one or two vans and as the forum grows it will be more, For these kind of meets maybe we should take his advice.
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Post by Firefox on Apr 29, 2013 12:16:52 GMT
Any volunteers to get all the paperwork off to Natural England then I guess I will do it myself eventually, but tend to drag my heels when it comes to paperwork as I do enough emails and minutes and project briefs and project proposals for 10 hours a day, so I don't have much enthusiasm to do any more in the evenings I should add that we have already had a vote on this and the results were slightly inconclusive. 2 in favour 3 against 2 abstentions 3 didn't vote. But... I don't think we all fully understood the insurance aspects or responsibilities, even those of us who did vote. It may be worth getting one, as it is free, and we only use it at places which have their own public liability insurance.
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Post by robmac on Apr 29, 2013 18:57:05 GMT
Any volunteers to get all the paperwork off to Natural England then I guess I will do it myself eventually, but tend to drag my heels when it comes to paperwork as I do enough emails and minutes and project briefs and project proposals for 10 hours a day, so I don't have much enthusiasm to do any more in the evenings I should add that we have already had a vote on this and the results were slightly inconclusive. 2 in favour 3 against 2 abstentions 3 didn't vote. But... I don't think we all fully understood the insurance aspects or responsibilities, even those of us who did vote. It may be worth getting one, as it is free, and we only use it at places which have their own public liability insurance. Leave it with me Vernon. I'll post when it is done.
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Post by Firefox on Apr 29, 2013 19:52:50 GMT
Thanks Rob I can get the constitution tidied up a bit more with respect to aims and protocol when meeting up cos most of it is about what happens on the board, but I guess they will want to see procedure when we meet up.
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Post by Rubbertramp on Apr 29, 2013 20:56:55 GMT
Ahem!....*coughs like bronchial goat on distant hillside* So two votes in favour and three against? I make that a majority that is not in favour of a rally exemption certificate, albeit a slim one. Or to put it another way only two votes in favour out of seven cast.....why are we going ahead with this?
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Post by Firefox on Apr 29, 2013 21:20:26 GMT
Good question. I abstained previously, but have now voted in favour, so that makes it 3-3 with one abstention. I think it might be an idea to get one, if only on the basis that several members seem to want it, so I'm trying to represent their view; and the paperwork involved seems to be less than previously thought. Also, we don't actually have to use it to hold any rallies! We can require the rally field owner to have public liability insurance so it makes it less of a risk.
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Post by Rubbertramp on Apr 29, 2013 21:55:52 GMT
I'm against it of course for reasons that I've stated in this thread but even if I were in favour isn't there a democratic principle that unless a majority vote in favour of a proposal or resolution then the proposal or resolution does not get passed? Or if there is a hung vote then the process is repeated? Ridiculous of course to ask that the whole subject be dumped I would suggest a poll to be thrown open to all members to be conducted in a thread debating the subject.
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Post by Firefox on Apr 29, 2013 23:02:02 GMT
It's obviously quite close as there are pros and cons. We could ask the staff who haven't voted to to express an opinion, or throw it open to the whole membership.
But if we did get one, we wouldn't have to use it if we felt it could do more harm than good. It may only be used to placate site owners with rally fields, who insisted on it being present, so if anything, I reckon now that it might open up more options, as opposed to your point that it would lead to non-meets rather than meets.
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Post by robmac on Apr 30, 2013 2:16:22 GMT
I'll hold fire until advised.
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Post by yorkieowl on Apr 30, 2013 4:46:10 GMT
I personally wouldn't bother, having been involved in organising flying comps for 5 years, we got a new committee member who insisted we did everything 'above board', its been nothing but red tape since, an absolute nightmare, which seems to bring more and more problems. The idea of wild camping for me is the freedom from red tape. Unless you fully adhere to any licence exemption all committee members would become liable.
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Post by Firefox on Apr 30, 2013 7:00:21 GMT
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Post by happyhippy on Apr 30, 2013 18:31:51 GMT
Keep it free, it's only an issue when staying on a pay site - easy solution, never use a pay site. Just agree a time and place and go - if you are not causing any bother you won't get evicted in 5 days, I know folks who manage months or even years, no exemption, no insurance, no Babylon to tell you how far apart you have to be, no marshalls with or without fuorescent jackets. The worst that could happen is being forced to leave early, but the chances of that happening in under a week are next to zero unless you are making a lot of noise or mess.Don't play their game - Anarchy is the way )
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