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Post by Firefox on Jan 20, 2013 15:06:59 GMT
andystrangeway.wordpress.com/2013/01/20/no-unattended-parking-signs/Basically the intention of the no unattended parking signs is to stop people using laybyes for a camping holiday weeks on end or for permanent living. I think we'd all agree that sleeping in laybyes overnight is fine but extended parking for days on end is not as it deprives others using them like tired HGV drivers, cars, or other overnighters. By using laybyes overnight we would be attending the vehicle so there is no problem. These signs are at present unenforceable, but by stirring up the council, he may well force them into introducing proper TRO's banning motorhomes. What do you think?
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Post by donkeytoo on Jan 20, 2013 15:49:45 GMT
I think Mr Strangeway (very apt name) has a very bloated ego. He does i think like to be the centre of attention and hear himself speak just as he likes to see himself in print. I personally believe he could be a very dangerous person, As he seems to have very little actual knowledge of what he is talking about and a little knowledge is always dangerous.
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Post by Firefox on Jan 20, 2013 16:30:02 GMT
Well, I don't know Mr Strangeway personally, so can't comment, I'm sure he's a really nice chap but he is misguided on this.
At the moment there is tacit acceptance of motorhomes in laybyes. In view of a few unenforceable signs, he seems set on stirring up the Scottish councils with the weirdest of campaigns which could lead to a total ban on motorhomes wilding and overnighting in laybyes. One only needs to look at Scarborough and some other places where they have done it properly.
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Post by Pollik on Jan 20, 2013 17:22:22 GMT
I don't have a particular on the specifics of this...I don't know the laybys. However, I do get fed up with plethora of inconsistent signs across the countries. I think one has to question the ethics of councils erecting unenforceable signs...I am not sure I could approve of a local authority spending public money on signs lying to the public.
More generally, we find no camping and no overnight parking signs...do we all understand the same thing by these. There is a rest area in Essex with two car park...one is height restricted to cars, the is HGV only...my van is neither. And on it goes.
I am not really a rules person...I try to be sensible and considerate and naively expect others to be similar. But the signs that most get under my skin are the ones I think I can ignore, but not be absolutely certain and the signs that are just plain non understandable. It is one of the reasons I prefer travelling in Europe - I feel more welcomed there. And that is a sad state of affairs
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Post by vwT5surfbus on Jan 20, 2013 20:39:06 GMT
leave well alone that's my opinion. i looked on his website and he dosnt appear to have a campervan anyway he just sleeps rough in weird places. i cant see why hes getting involved
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Post by Etienne Le Croq on Jan 20, 2013 21:42:14 GMT
I didn't think that the " No Overnight Parking" signs where legally enforceable ? We often overnight in a seaside carpark which says this,I always buy a ticket for the last hour of the day and it lasts till 10am next morning.The Police regularly drive round the carpark and straight out again.We've never been asked to leave.I think that we don't need anyone drawing attention to this either .As long as we only stay one night/ two max and don't make a noise/mess,then nobody should really have cause to complain.
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Post by Firefox on Jan 20, 2013 23:05:32 GMT
This is a new campaign he has. It's not about no overnight parking signs but Moray council put up 3 "No unattended parking" signs. Ostensibly to discourage vehicles blocking HGV's so they say, but I think they were probably looking at long term parking in laybyes by camper vans and people taking holidays from there and going off for the day etc leaving the van. That's my take anyway it could be wrong.
Anyway, the signs were unenforceable and nobody was taking much notice. Now he has stirred them up and they are trying to make them legally binding. Next thing you know they'll be banning camper vans altogether in a proper fashion with TRO's and plates in the laybyes. This guy's campaigns are a menace in my view.
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Post by Lee & Linda on Jan 21, 2013 8:42:37 GMT
I'm with you Vern I can't see a problem with the signs saying "No unattended parking" in fact I agree with them, at least it would keep the layby free for it's correct use, which is for people to take a break in it and as we would be sleeping in our vehicle it wouldn't be unattended and therefore not a problem. Ignore him he will just cause more problems for us.
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Post by donkeytoo on Jan 21, 2013 12:43:57 GMT
Now I see he has got pratts on the big W sending emails to the council involved. What a numpty Perhaps we should send e mail;s to the council explaining that e fully understand why they are doing this and say hopefully they will not connect this forum an its members to the negative feed back they are getting
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Post by Firefox on Jan 21, 2013 13:00:41 GMT
Yes, they are falling for it too, without thinking about the issues involved.
He says that council's original problem was with vehicles which may block HGV's in lay-byes or block them from using lay-byes, the vehicles being long term parked or unattended. I can't say for certain but a proportion of those vehicles may be camper vans abusing the lay-bye taking a week's holiday from the lay-bye and leaving the van for long periods.
If the council are thwarted by piles of email from camper van owners who were abusing the lay-bye anyway, they may just see red and start putting in some proper regulations with plates, lines, times descriptions etc prohibiting motorhomes from lay-byes for periods or certain times eg Max stay 4 hours, no return within 24 hours.
This would pay lip service to a travel break but would prohibit overnight stays. Councils have a habit of getting their way if you provoke them. He's continually stirring these council guys up with his misguided campaigns. I don't think he's thought it through and he's misleading other people in the process.
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Post by vwT5surfbus on Jan 23, 2013 13:15:21 GMT
i was lurking on the big W and someone linked this topic on this board and it came out ***********
censored, lol !
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