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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2013 11:57:29 GMT
Me and my trusty 18 yr old Black and Decker drill are about to go out and do battle with the rivets holding the ply lining on the sides of the van in place, so that I can insulate behind it and also hopefully track down the source of the dampness behind it. It's just occurred to me that when I'm ready to put the ply back on, how do it fix it in place as I don't have a riveter? I only have a hand torque screwdriver so trying to screw the lining into metal is going to be blooming hard work if not impossible Any suggestions?
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Post by Firefox on Feb 3, 2013 14:20:58 GMT
Self tapping screws. If you can get them large enough shank you can cut a thread into the rivet holes and use those.
If you can't then a good bash with a centre punch to make an indentation. Use a hand twist drill or any other drill to drill a 3mm diameter hole and screw your self tappers into that hole.
If you have neither a drill or screws big enough to fit the rivet holes then if you have a piece of junk or something that you can dismantle with small nuts and bolts in then you can use those. Or you may have some small loose nuts and bolts lying around in one of your many boxes. The nut needs to be superglued on the back of the hole as you wont have access when you put the ply on. Or superglue the bolt so it sticks out of the hole and fit the ply over that then a washer and finally the nut. Tighten up. If any bolt sticks out you could cut it off with a hacksaw and file smooth.
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Post by Daz on Feb 3, 2013 15:49:13 GMT
you can pick up a rivet gun & rivets for around £5 if you need to, I'd do as already mentioned & use self tappers, When I did mine I put a screwdriver bit in my electric drill & used that to do the screws up because my drill driver packed up on the only day I actually needed to use it, I wouldn't recommend it though, it was a bit tricky at times you can also buy screws that "drill" through the surfaces for you, so no need to keep swapping between drills
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Post by Firefox on Feb 3, 2013 16:52:26 GMT
Ideal for this task is the 3.6V or 5V rechargeable screwdriver/cordless drill See: freemotorhominguk.boards.net/inde....249&page=1#1707I bought a cheap chinese one for £5 and built my whole van with it. You can swap over the drill bits and screwdriver immediately using the hex fitting chuck they all have.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2013 17:22:42 GMT
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Post by Etienne Le Croq on Feb 3, 2013 19:51:55 GMT
Another vote for self tappers.
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Post by Firefox on Feb 3, 2013 20:24:28 GMT
LOL, we give better advice than the big W don't we Stephen ;D
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2013 20:38:17 GMT
LOL, we give better advice than the big W don't we Stephen ;D Hmmm, maybe, maybe not.... having had a 4.8v electric screwdriver which was as useful as a chocolate fireguard and which didn't last any longer than a chocolate fireguard, I think I definitely wouldn't go for a 5v or less power screwdriver again - this time round I think I'll be looking at Big Boys Toys, and prepared to spend a little more if it'll serve as well as my trusty old Black and Decker drill. Nice to see some agreement between forums though, even if it is only on the subject of self tapping screws And there's been some interesting suggestions on t'other place regarding the leak. But to get back to the original question of replacing the ply, I think my plan of action will be to drill new holes using my trusty B&D through ply and panel frame, and then use a new power screwdriver and self tapping screws. So that's the original problem sorted Just the flipping leak to sort out now, which could mean that I'm held up doing the insulation, replacing the ply, repositioning my bed widthways and building in the sink and hopefully heater and gas bottle
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Post by Firefox on Feb 3, 2013 20:50:14 GMT
Yes, you have to get lucky on the cordless. As I said I got a £5 3.6v Chinese one, abused it for 4 years and it is still going strong ;D They are useful in tight spaces and have a worklight too, but if you want to go down the 240v drill route, then you can get a hex chuck thing so you can swap over your drill bit, countersink bit, and screwdriver bit really quick. They are very cheap. Leaks are a bugger .... can never tell where they are coming in
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Post by Etienne Le Croq on Feb 3, 2013 21:09:22 GMT
If you drill small pilot holes first,then the driver won't need to work as hard to wind the screws in. Most of my tools Ive bought second hand as I can get top brands for a good price.All my cordless tools are Dewalt 18 volt .Screwfix usually have a deal on a good brand drill/driver.Then I buy the other tools second hand as bare units (no batts).the best tool I've found for winding in self tappers / screws is an impact driver.
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Post by Etienne Le Croq on Feb 3, 2013 21:10:22 GMT
Yes we certainly do Vern!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2013 23:14:54 GMT
Impact driver??? Difference between power screwdriver and impact driver??? Remember you're talking to someone who didn't know what self tapping screws were until a few hours ago - could I please have an explanation in Idiot language
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Post by Etienne Le Croq on Feb 4, 2013 8:27:41 GMT
An impact driver hits and screws at the same time,so it forces the screw in .They are especially good for long screws,but equally as good for undoing stubborn screws without chewing the head off!They do wind in screws quicker than a drill/driver. To buy new they are usually dearer than a drill/driver,that's why I bought mine second hand.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2013 3:24:48 GMT
Thanks, I never realised that power tools were so complicated! Have found some decent second hand deals on eBay but can't believe the price of new batteries for them Sent by Android from Cloud Cuckoo Land
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Post by Etienne Le Croq on Feb 5, 2013 6:58:24 GMT
That's where they make their money and why if buying a new drill always get one with two batteries.Its the same with razor blades!Ive managed to pick up new batteries on eBay at half the price that Screwfix want.
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Post by n brown on Feb 5, 2013 11:14:06 GMT
ok i got internet again.bloody talk talk!ok you can drill the rivets out or knock their little heads off with a wood chisel,its only soft aluminium as for fixing the ply i use self drillingb screws from screwfix,these are a self tapper,but instead of a point ,each screw has a drill bit end,so putting them in with a cordless just means putting the screw in the screwdriver bit and putting it straight to the ply and pulling the trigger,it then drills through the ply and screws itself into the metal=lovely things
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Post by Etienne Le Croq on Feb 5, 2013 12:57:14 GMT
Welcome back Chap
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