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Post by Firefox on Dec 21, 2012 11:16:08 GMT
Tell us what you think about the access to the WCL (County stopover forums aka as POI on other platforms) Pros of easy access: - More people post spots
- More inclusive to new members. Encourages new members to join
- More locations, but poorer quality and more subject to closure.
Cons of easy access:- Spots become overused/abused and closed off by landowners or restriction put in place due to numbers using them.
- People don't post their best places, because of the above, so the same car parks and laybys keep on cropping up.
- Less locations, but better quality.
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Post by vwT5surfbus on Dec 21, 2012 13:22:27 GMT
some restriction needed because too many pple use best places
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Post by kangooroo on Dec 21, 2012 14:52:05 GMT
I think some restriction is needed.
I'm always wary of posting my favourite places incase they're lost due to abuse or become too popular. However, I know that most vans would never even reach most of them!
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Post by Etienne Le Croq on Dec 21, 2012 17:07:13 GMT
I think it should be restricted
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Post by Firefox on Jan 3, 2013 9:07:55 GMT
Any more votes on this? It would be nice to get more of a consensus.
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Post by WindDancer on Jan 3, 2013 11:57:05 GMT
I think it should be restricted, for reasons discussed previously. However, people could still request info via the forum.
If it proves too restrictive it can always be reviewed later.
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Post by donkeytoo on Jan 3, 2013 13:41:33 GMT
I think it should be restricted, but saying that I like a lot of people have my favourite places that I pass on to no one. After all one has to have a place to retreat to sometimes.
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Post by lotusanne on Jan 3, 2013 20:10:20 GMT
Agree it should be limited too. As winddancer said people can post for locations if they are going somewhere specific. Good to encourage people to post and get some interaction going. Also people who add locations will be even more wary of giving their faves if open to everyone. Its hard isnt it.. you want to share good locations, but dont want to thereby turn them into campervan parks and spoil them for everyone
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Post by Pollik on Jan 3, 2013 23:04:23 GMT
Sorry, only just come to this...who are WCL?
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Post by Firefox on Jan 3, 2013 23:32:30 GMT
Sorry, only just come to this...who are WCL? WCL = wild camping locations. Coordinates of stopovers, also known as POI for sat nav systems = Points of Interest
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Post by Pollik on Jan 4, 2013 13:20:52 GMT
Thanks
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Post by Firefox on Jan 5, 2013 14:39:38 GMT
It looks like we are about in the right place with the current system. We can always change it later if there is demand.
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Post by derekfaeberwick on Feb 22, 2013 11:42:47 GMT
15 members had voted before I did and there are 13 "staff" members. I posted on another poll, restricting membership one, and said I thought this seemed a bit of a top heavy and cliquey forum. This pole is not changing my mind. Perhaps that's what you guys and girls want but with all the restrictions you seem to favour you could do away with the forum and just have a mobile phone text group.
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Post by Etienne Le Croq on Feb 22, 2013 12:30:40 GMT
We're just finding our way at the moment.Yes we probably don't want to grow into a large monster like the big W, but on the other hand its more lively on here than the Northern grave yard site that you usually frequent and we don't have any obnoxious members either.
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Post by Firefox on Feb 22, 2013 13:00:54 GMT
Of the 16 members who voted so far 7 are staff.
We recognise that 250 posts is quite a lot, and although most people voted for 250 they were all people with access at the moment. 7 so far voted for less, so to reflect all those things, the limit is likely to come down to 150 or 100 as we get more members in that bracket to try to cater for all views.
At least we are putting up polls and listening to a broad range of views unlike some other forums where autocratic decisions are taken by just one or two people.
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Post by derekfaeberwick on Feb 22, 2013 14:24:58 GMT
We're just finding our way at the moment.Yes we probably don't want to grow into a large monster like the big W, but on the other hand its more lively on here than the Northern grave yard site that you usually frequent and we don't have any obnoxious members either. Tssk tssk, a matter of opinion surely. ;D
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Post by Firefox on Feb 22, 2013 14:58:10 GMT
There's no ideal solution. Some people who have added locations added them on condition that they don't want this database to go fully public. So it's impossible to reconcile what you think is right with what they think is right and what all the other members think to different degrees. We'll probably end up somewhere in the middle.
But at least we are doing something different in a slightly different way, not just reproducing data other people have.
At the end of the day they'll be several different databases all with slightly different sets of points. Some points are bound to be the same of course, but overall variety is the spice of life.
(NB Some Troll Posting and negativity in this thread have been removed to the recycle bin at the request of members).
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Post by Rubbertramp on Feb 22, 2013 21:12:12 GMT
Derek, your personality seems to have rather an argumentative slant to it. I've read all your posts so far(freely available for all members to see) and don't see anything constructive in them. Might I suggest, if you are really keen on seeing this forum run in a different way, that you set up a poll outlining how beneficial your ideas may or may not be. www.proboards.com/forum-help-guide/create-poll We can all then vote for change or to keep things as they are. Alternatively there are many debating forums online where you could go to have a good argument.
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Post by derekfaeberwick on Feb 22, 2013 21:24:48 GMT
Derek, your personality seems to have rather an argumentative slant to it. I've read all your posts so far(freely available for all members to see) and don't see anything constructive in them. Might I suggest, if you are really keen on seeing this forum run in a different way, that you set up a poll outlining how beneficial your ideas may or may not be. www.proboards.com/forum-help-guide/create-poll We can all then vote for change or to keep things as they are. Alternatively there are many debating forums online where you could go to have a good argument. I prefer inquisitive myself, it's a throwback to my old moony days. Had to get out of it , the cold winters gave me piles.
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Post by Rubbertramp on Feb 22, 2013 21:31:42 GMT
Ah, the grapes of wrath. I fear the pips may still be squeaking! Same advice still applies
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2013 15:36:01 GMT
Given the amount of staff/votes, well, I think it would be very easy for you to know who votes. Many people would not feel comfortable about going against the grain in a vote knowing that staff could so easily know their stance, this could so easily lead to cliques developing and ruling don't you think? They do say knowledge is power do they not? "They" can say what they like. I vote as I see fit, As I expect everybody else does. Seems to me that it is pointless voting if you are only going to follow a party line
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Post by puddlejumper on Feb 24, 2013 16:14:13 GMT
I've just voted.....Not saying how, but it'll be a fair time before I get access to the WCL's!
I'm all for restricted access. Even if it cuts me out for the forseeable future.
Also upon reading irrelevant and 'Dog with a bone' attitude of certain posts on this thread, I couldn't care less if folks high up know how I voted...I'm too busy having fun in my M.H. to give a st**f.......
A happy pill each morning works wonders!
Cheers all and safe wheels.
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Post by vwT5surfbus on Feb 24, 2013 16:51:31 GMT
i voted for some restriction in access because otherwise they will become oversued. guests and people who dont contribute will overuse the sites. derick, who cares which way people voted. it is not the general election of the UK! it appears you are just troleing. please go and trole somewhere else.
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Post by yogibear on Feb 25, 2013 17:39:14 GMT
I agee with WindDancer other wise it becomes a camp site
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Post by landydriver on Feb 28, 2013 20:07:19 GMT
Ive not voted as I just got here.... How many posts are decided on doesn't really matter to me, but if "post count" becomes important you'll end up with 100s of "I agree" type posts which contribute nothing. One thing Id have is...if you dont submit POIs you dont get to see them
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Post by wildman on Mar 1, 2013 10:55:41 GMT
wild parking is not something I plan, when its time to stop for the night I start looking, usual requirements for me are a south facing location (so that the solar panel in my windscreen gets the most sun), open aspect to the SE so no trees block the Sat dish, and someplace to walk the dogs. I seldom know in the morning where I am headed for that night, I drive and take whatever road takes my fancy. I have no time table apart from parking in time to get the soaps on the TV, yes I admit to being an addict, hee hee. A place to fish or kayak may mean we stay a day or two, but usually we move on every day. Your wildimg spots are yours, if you share them online then the whole world will unite to get them closed down such is the mentality of non wild parkers. There are lots of other things a foum can discuss other than helping to close all of our overnight spots. People often are too rigid saying they never wild, or never stay on a site. I stay on sites for meets and rallies, apart from that have only done so twice since 1967 unless you count 6 months in a caravan when I had no choice in the matter.
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Post by stevequality on Mar 6, 2013 17:58:18 GMT
I can not see what benifit would be gained by restricting access to the wcl, because most of them are freely available on other sites . I do not think that it is a case of good spots being over used by many more of a case of staying to long and leaving your weeks rubbish in a black bag in the hedge.
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Post by Firefox on Mar 6, 2013 18:16:37 GMT
Our locations are a bit different though. They aren't all available on other sites. Some will be, but many are from RT's travels round the coast and they won't be on other sites. Likewise a lot of the ones I found will be exclusive.
I found another nice spot this weekend just by chance, hidden away deep in a wooded part of the country. That will be going on the map - it's not on any other site. If it went on Wild Camping site it would be seen by 1000's and 1000's, and there would be parking restrictions added or no overnight signs going up. This has happened many times before there. They are always taking points off the list because the site is huge, and the members have overused the spots, and the locals have complained.
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Post by stevequality on Mar 8, 2013 18:37:14 GMT
I am a member of several Wildcamping sites even the one that I pay to be a member of I have posted wilding spots on every site that I am a member of except this one as I have not been a member long, I will post some places later but if viewing is going to be limited to thos who have posted on here 250 times I for one do not think that I will be able to see the list until 2015 because I am a person who would only post if I have some thing informative to add to another post or it would be of use to other members, Regards Steve
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Post by Firefox on Mar 9, 2013 10:11:20 GMT
Don't worry. Hang on in there. We'll probably be reducing the post numbers to 150 or 100 as we recognise that 250 is probably too high. And also people that contribute such as yourself may well get upgraded on far less. After all, it's not just post numbers but contribution to the community which really counts. Anyone can do 100 posts in word association but it takes more effort to make thoughtful posts which contribute
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