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Post by WindDancer on Nov 26, 2013 8:30:27 GMT
Reported by Dog World, including an interview with one of the ladies. www.dogworld.co.uk/product.php/104798The passenger has a broken back amongst other injuries, and a 4th dog has died.
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Post by Pollik on Nov 26, 2013 12:21:21 GMT
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Post by seanrua on Nov 26, 2013 13:42:12 GMT
Yes, an awful event and no mistake! Thanks for the update, WindDancer. That looks like the same photo that I was looking at when I couldn't see a security barrier.
How some folk could use a smash like that to discharge their warped sense of humour or try score political points on a forum, I shall never know! Total tossers, imo, and that dude from the North sounds remarkably like another one of Derek fi Berwick's crop of alter ego s.
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Post by lotusanne on Nov 26, 2013 21:31:46 GMT
Yes, unbelievable Sean, I actually stopped reading the thread, I didn't want to waste any more time on it. A dreadful and shocking experience for all involved and that includes the women, the dogs and the RAC patrol man, why on earth people want to start with the blame and insults and arrogant pomposity instead of compassion are is just beyond me ps forgot to include the lorry driver - he must have had an almiughty shock te remains of the campervan are horrific
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Post by robmac on Nov 26, 2013 22:08:50 GMT
I also felt sorry for these poor chaps; www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-25091939I like Wolves, but I don't suppose I'd like to come face to face with one. There was talk of releasing them in Scotland, but I don't know what became of it. A bad idea I think, they would be hunted down by farmers.
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Post by lotusanne on Nov 26, 2013 22:14:19 GMT
Yesh very sad too Rob, though I suppose there was no choice once they had escaped, what a sad end to am already ruined life of captivity for them
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Post by WindDancer on Nov 26, 2013 22:28:10 GMT
I like Wolves, but I don't suppose I'd like to come face to face with one. There was talk of releasing them in Scotland, but I don't know what became of it. A bad idea I think, they would be hunted down by farmers. If I remember correctly, they decided against releasing them due to the right to rome law. Even though the wolves would be in a ma-hoo-sively big estate which was fenced, it was not possible to ensure the public would not breach the perimeter. So basically health and safety stuff.
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Post by Heisenberg on Nov 27, 2013 2:53:19 GMT
www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYiRYbu25AMThought this bit of footage was pretty special as it shows that with the proper skills it's possible for wolves to interact with humans. Alongside gorillas they have always been one of my favourite animals.
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Post by seanrua on Nov 27, 2013 8:17:41 GMT
Yes, the wolf is a fine animal, imo. We class it as the ancestor of all dogs. We also say that the terrier and the wren ( yes, 'tis a little bird) are closely related to the wolf. Something about the size of the heart or the tenacity, I think - and the shape of the eyes.
Not really sure whether any of this is based on actuality, but, certainly, imo, so-called "evolution" shouldn't mean that such a fine creature ends up as an exhibit in a zoo. There again, I suppose 'tis nice for kids to be able to see real, live animals; not so sure whether the wolves like it or not. I was in a bar-cum-brothel( no pun intended) once on the Thai/Malay border. The guy who made the beds and helped run the place was listening to this Australian rabbit on about one of the girls who had done dirty on him, in his opinion. The Aussie couldn't get over the fact that he treated her well but she she just ran away and left him after all. The little Burmese guy ( I think) put it in a nutshell: he reckoned a rich man could take one of the pariah dogs off the street; clean it, feed it, house it in comfort, BUT as soon as he opened the door, the mutt would just run off and go drink dirty puddle water and roll in sh it.
That's why I believe Nature is a powerful thing. It often bursts through in the end - like the thistle growing through a concrete run-way.
I'm not too keen on caging animals - something the Romanichal folk do a lot with their song finches, but, I suppose, as in the case of the dogs in the smash, caging is probably best in practical terms for transporting creatures.
As for shooting the wolf, I think i just accept that there wasn't much choice. After all, we shoot horses every day. Not very nice, but there ya go. Lingering suffering is far worse, imo.
Btw, that girl with the wolf-pack was taking a big risk, imo. Pack animals get mob hysteria and can turn like the wind. As it happens, the clip I watched degenerated into some sort of ad for fur coats or hot chicks or something!? Things can quickly get nasty with packs on the run.
The legacy of all this is the continuing hatred and hunting down of the poor old wolf. In Ireland, we still enact the hunting of the wren ( the "wran" in the song)! Talk about culture! Whatever does it really mean?
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Post by n brown on Nov 27, 2013 9:19:19 GMT
I once watched a pack of wolves at a zoo and felt a real empathy with them,they never stopped trotting around,reminding me of POW's looking for a weakness in the fence. anyway I still feel a bit of guilt about being part of the race that banged them up,they're such roamers ! this book was fascinating and funny www.goodreads.com/book/show/72659.Never_Cry_Wolf
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Post by lotusanne on Nov 27, 2013 12:48:41 GMT
I know just what you mean nbrown, anything caged up for its whole life is just wrong and horrible to see - from fishes swimming aimlessly to lions / tigers/elephants looking defeated. I agree they are educational for kids - but actually these days there are some incredible documentaries where we can see things that only a handful of people have ever seen before = negates the need to export and cage maybe?
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Post by n brown on Nov 27, 2013 16:33:16 GMT
the argument in favour of zoos is a bit hard to deny.the animals get what every animal wants-regular food and shelter,a mate,and no danger.also animals that would have become extinct are preserved only because of the zoos charging people to see them as exhibits. I used a similar argument when we kept rare breed pigs.if I couldn't make money by killing them and selling the meat then I would stop breeding them and they would be a step nearer to dying out.pretty much irrefutable unfortunately,but the only alternative is to release all these animals back into the wild and let nature take its course. when we first went to Portugal,it was common to see foxes kept in small cages from young cubs,until they'd grown enough to make a stole .
just to add,that book I linked is about a guy sent to prove that wolves were a threat to farmers animals and caribou and therefore give the government an excuse to wipe them out.
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Post by seanrua on Nov 27, 2013 17:35:10 GMT
'Tis all very difficult, as there isn't really any "Wild" left as it was. Certainly, 'tis ridiculous to trap urban foxes in London ( 6th or seventh generation?) and transport them to the Welsh hills for release on sheep pastures.
On the other hand, I never use our usual defence of horseracing, which is similar to n.brown's point about zoos or rare pigs. Folk often say that thotoughbreds are better fed and housed than any wild horse ever was or will be, but, to me that's not the major point. ~Tis the same with Australian aboriginals or native Americans: there IS something more to life.
I call it PURPOSE. Obviously, we tend to invent this to suit our needs, but there is something in it, imo. That's why i would sooner die than go in an old people's home - even if twere the best in the world. I'd sooner the old bender or trailer!
Perverse, and behind the times? Perhaps, but why should the likes of Ajax and the ruling class decide these things? Fk 'em! If we don't want to live in a poxy council flat, why should we?
Suffering and death are sometimes better options than being forced to accept other people's terms.
Not everybody thinks this way, but ordinary animals might do ( though Ajax would no doubt disagree). The wolves made off - away from the comfort of the zoo - just like Nellie the Elephant left the circus, whereas, it has been said that if they were to open all the doors of the prisons, only about 40% would walk out. Goodness knows how they worked that one out, but I'd say there is such a thing as folk becoming institutionalised.
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Post by Is it spring yet, dormouse? on Nov 28, 2013 7:53:26 GMT
Life: unfinished threads in a never-ending tapestry
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